Whom do you trust more: government or media?

Tommy Tucker, WWL First News
Wednesday, January 3rd

Tommy talks with Jeff McCall, Professor of Media Studies at Depauw University, about trust in the media.


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Joseph and hammer hi you're into the W on good morning. But the moment you order I'm all right you've got to go and let. Them. Facts. Independent agreement. On the tech and I don't blame the same problems Joseph in my opinion. I think people can agree on what sacks are anymore. Well I'm a burglary that you do. Well we'll wait. Mark Twain. Hundred years ago. Said there are lies they're damn lies and air statistics. Right so for. It's all in how you spin it might do one thing I will say is the president says and I think it's a double edged sword the president says that he uses Twitter. To bypass the media and go directly to the people. Well when he does it that's fine but when he takes credit for no air crashes and I think he makes himself look a little bit silly by Dylan adding you can't say that's fake news. Because they came directly from his Twitter account ranked. There absolutely correct and at and I'm appalled but it does look. Then all of a lot a true. Well let me tell you something it's interesting you should say that Joseph and thank you for calling it's almost as though you're reading ahead Steve Bannon has a book coming out. And handed he says that. On the meeting that happened with the Russians between Donald Trump junior and the others there was air was treasonous. And unpatriotic. And he says that the investigation into alleged collusion with the Kremlin will focus on money laundering. And predicted they're gonna crack Dunn junior like getting on national TV. Will bright. To do what's his name down and work with the president so who do you believe now the lead then Andy Lee the president I don't know. Jeff McCall professor of media studies at DePaul University joins us right now. Com author and analyst of media issues I don't know professor who do believe I don't I knew you really professor McCall. Yeah that the well because like again I guess I don't know you did you did become and I trust you see him legitimacy. Not necessarily but yeah man is WellPoint. Target no it's hard to know what to believe these days old banquet. Question earlier was whether we trust the government and media in the bottom line is I think a lot of people don't trust the media or the government the state innate. Because they're both viewed as part of the establishment. Which gently so as new consumers. Having to try to rely on our own good judgment and you know we try probably more in the media and government. Our friends on social media and the people we see on FaceBook Twitter or not that's not necessarily a good place to be getting your news and information you learned is that accurate right. Other there's so much on there. It's social media that you'd you can't rely on but. We were finding more and more people are relying on social media further news and that the dangerous drug enforcement the society. Palm begin to give media studies professor you know years ago there was program with Groucho Marx I think name of those who do you trust. And I think at some point you got. Unanimous in their right sometimes I think professor were all just. People sitting around a fire was an animal skin around this relating stories of of what the elders told there's right because. There's a gatekeeper approach dead tool when it comes to reporting news or tell the story in Nantes in years. Where you leave some deet tails out maybe on purpose maybe not maybe you want to story to fit the narrative you've got. Both forehand what are some of the challenges when it comes to either TV news print media etc. Well there are a lot of challenges out there and news consumers to have to be very conscious to these days and you know a real difference. You know in the year 2018. Now compared to like even with a decent sixty. Is that there's been such a lorry. Between opinion and hard news and we see that in the major networks and in the cable news shows and even in the major daily newspapers what we called a legacy media. There was a time when. You could read a front page of a major daily and figured that this fact based reporting. And then you'd go to the opinions section indices interpretation or analysis or somebody's editorial. And the same thing with the CBS evening news news piece to be able watch Walter Cronkite that will be pretty much artifacts. And then later you might have Eric Sevareid interpret those but now. The interpretation. And the facts are all blurred together and a lot of audience members just don't know what the believe and I think that's why they're backing up. Philip understandable I think. That people are going to little corners of the world they're going to social media or they're going to web sites with opinions with which they are you agree. Because they don't know where else to get it anyway and there's a certain comfort level. By going to web site with a bunch of information that you party agree with as opposed to challenging yourself. By looking for opinions or maybe you even facts that you don't necessarily buy into it. With the president and his suites and as attacks on the media Rudy believe the government or the media because president trump like it or not is the president he is a branch. Of the government the executive branch in there are only three so it's pretty important what he says or doesn't yet trust him completely on what he says because I think some people. Do attacks comes in answers technology user turned us to tribalism ironic isn't it. It's certainly isn't somebody else sex dinner guest. Jeff McCall. Jeffrey McCall media studies professor DePaul University a columnist author and analyst of mediate she used. Com it's many Texas and says. As Mark Twain once said those who don't read the newspaper are uninformed those who do are misinformed well guess what professor. That quote has never been attributed to Mark Twain oh by any the the blitz we're renting and of thumb literary. A publication it is a derivation of or something Thomas Jefferson said and something a philosopher once said. So there you go what are you believe right. Oh that's true you know we talk about people going to select the web sites are only looking for information that supports. There are their personal beliefs are what they party decided. And he we refer to Batman Indy media studies world as confirmation bias that we're looking to confirm whatever we already believe. But you know that's that's really very understandable practice to alienate. And one of the reasons is the credibility ratings for the traditional media have deploying so much over the last 1520 years. That we don't want to go to media outlets that we don't trust that we might as well go to wherever we can following confirmation for our our own diocese. You know before the break you're talking about you don't mind to hear other points of view lord hear different parts of the other two of us about the same story. There aren't enough people like you don't need because we need more people were willing to say hey I'm normally in an SN BC do you work. But I might watch box in just that he what they're different perspective is on the same topic. Because there are different perspective on the same topic. And animal professor back with the school used to say back don't speak for themselves. It takes people to speak for the faculty to get a quick example that you know you we put in Indianapolis nearby here date at a record number of murders in the last year. One way to look at that would be disable we need to get that all the guns that console the martyr. Another but you'd you'd look alternatively say well we really need is to arm every bodies so they can protect themselves better so the fact. His record number of murders a response solution might be get the ball again and more people more. But drugs would factor into that as well professor could it not if that's what you chosen narrative debate. Oh sure but that's why you have to interpret what those facts mean but there's one of the problems that we can't agree on the backs. Were really never going to be able to agree on policy. Because yet but have some facts on which to base policy and we can't get agreement on facts through the media and let's face it. The media should be our surrogate they should be the ones to inform us that democracy. To wit it's a really fearful time. I think in a democracy when people can't come to a common understanding of what the facts are because you're never gonna get an agreement on policy in case. One thing that frightens me and I mentioned this before and look I voted for president trump by lauded him for it would do the economy and at least some given him credit for I don't I don't care who gets a credit I know Mike. 401K is up 29% now of course with deregulation another. There could be another issue that falls on that in the future will have to seek but why and why in the world would he give interviews of the New York Times and then trash amend. My theory is that he's trying to make everything illegitimate but himself. Even talking about the FBI be and part of the deep state and you can't trust the Justice Department you can't trusses that he's the only one that people can trust. Are you re really at some point they're cause trump really has taken a wrecking ball out to the media. It and two at the bureau bureaucracy in Washington zone just it to its own Justice Department to the opposing party of course. I mean let's face it he's got to work with the opposing party at some point or another but the wrecking ball approach I'm really confused about I'm not sure that. Sources don't interest in the long run. It probably does not serve the interest of the nation either I think we really need a more reasoned and calm approach to trying to deal with the the problems that the nation faces and what you remote over every day. An attack every thing. It comes off as rather untethered and again that the I'm not saying that trumped evidence of good things last year but I think is. Relentless attacks. You know flame thrower approach to the media has probably not help the media's got its own problem. But I'm not sure that those problems will be solved by treating it totally intact and stick approach to them. Professor appreciate your time anything you'd like to leave us with. Now but I I fight in that this is an important topic at a very serious one and I hope that all of your listeners will take time. Did you consider all the information that's out there and cannot get themselves tunnel vision. I hope you come back with a thank you sir glad you have a good day happy new year Jeff remote caller guess media studies professor DePaul University columnist author. Analyst of media issues.