What does the future hold for New Orleans?

Newell Normand
Tuesday, June 19th
Newell talks to Data Center Executive Director Lamar Gardere about what his organization's research reveals about the past, present and future of the Crescent City

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Welcome back it's are 300 anniversary here in the city of New Orleans and joining us in this hour is Lamar card dear the executive director of the data center and they look at the past I guess to best look at the future deceived where we've moved in what is going on and it's called. No look 304. On our data. Our city. Our future welcome to the show more. Thank you good to be here. So tell us a little bit about what do your studies at the purpose of it obviously and then we'll talk about what it reveals. In the data that's been provided. Shore. Sylvia prosperity index is a body of work that we do for the trust continued to look at disparities in our community. Across time particularly since the 1960s or so to now I to identify if those disparities are holding back our economy. What the research suggests is that the they developed economies. I need for everyone within that economy to be contributing kept most potential to be competitive so we wanted to look at New Orleans to see what it's. A potential what's for growth in terms of his disparities. And obviously and and every time I've talked to folks that do this the Katrina that was an it was a complete disruption. And in an extraordinary event and we always have the kind of take that. Put it in contacts and take economic contacts at the same time right yeah. Absolutely so a disasters like Katrina. Provide an interesting opportunity. To think different to take different actions to take a different course to try a different course before city but they do not changed the fundamentals of any particular system there. So you're gonna see a temporary bump from goodwill and civic engagement and outside money at things like that but. Eventually that disaster will exacerbate whatever existing trend was happening before the disaster. So we see it happen and then when we return back to where we were before unless we decide to China different. Right and gutless talk about the great so. We looked at data from six different sectors. 22 seen over the last forty years or so. How New Orleans has been faring in the specific question that that we asked was have African Americans. Seeing greater levels of economic inclusion since the civil rights era that's an important question because across the nation. The nation is moving to be majority minority ran about 2050 and so it's going to be increasingly important to make sure. That. Businesses are able to leverage to folks who are available to them that minorities of all groups. Are able to be to participate in the workforce. Two to the benefit of businesses. And what we've seen is that a New Orleans is faring worst then. The nation and versed in other offense going metro southern metros. In the area. So we have some work to do to that close some of those disparities. It's a step our economy can move forward. OK so the six particular areas are. So we did employment and income we get housing a democracy health education and criminal justice the majority. Of hours at the data senate and in this report. Will focus in the employment and income spaced the economics. A piece of this. For us it's it's. The data consists about 2010 has been truly focused on prosperity in the region and their prosperity is pretty tightly tied to economic growth. Followed by inclusive growth sustainable growth in quality of life and so we take those four themes. And and and measure it in terms of the determining what our prosperity looks like. So again economic growth as well we focused here. So when we're looking at employment and income what does it reveal that was interest. Am so there are few data points and a tanker. I interest being what we really can't household income we see significant disparities between black and white households. With. My households having average income or median income rather. A 67 almost 60000 dollars in New Orleans with. African American households have being parish council income of only 25000 that's significant difference days so we can imagine. What's and what's possible. Within that gap you know what aren't I able to invest in businesses soared in a nice house soared to a certain level. Quality of life. If if you're at one income level vs another. I think another. Data point is really. Where were the Hispanic households. In in them too you know. Are Hispanic households where at nearly 36000. There's a much smaller Hispanic population in New Orleans. Then either white or where were black households and so. The the data tends to be a little choppy here if you will because they're just Marlon numbers to compared to. And these single parent households to wage income house calls is our households don't they could not broken down it could be boat that's in. Imbedded in there. If median household income so this is it's of our households parents that are in the city but it has not been broken down by size of household. So were we in in this trend is saying if I'm reading this correct. That basically this trend has stayed the same since 1980. PM is so since 1979. We see the gap actually growing since 1980. In 1980 infected before New Orleans. Oh right household income was at 52000. Us almost 53000. Growing to almost 68000 by 2016 whereas we see. Black household income being at almost 30000 in 1979. Following. You know inflation adjust to dials of course to about 25000. Into turn sixteen. I'm misread that has so it's actually falling into yet again this is growing growing right but much about that too. And what do what else have we here find it in the data here that the field. Yes I think an interesting data points or rather disappointed folks often finding things that. And New Orleans says. Has made some progress in in those post-Katrina days particularly in terms. Small business startups and they're more of my afternoon as the market starting businesses and in particular we see that the share of black owned businesses in the city has increased from 21%. To 40% over the last twenty years in fact. But again the acting part is that over the twenty year span and the receipts. Which means the revenues that that those businesses received collectively. Has been at 2% the entire time so when he was 21%. Share businesses. You those as you 32%. When he moved to 40% this year for seats were still at 2%. So what to Wear it where it's. What's your inclination drives that because that's striking him in what many of those newly formed businesses are. Very small businesses right with one employee and things like that which shows that those businesses have not been able to grow. Over time they have not had access to capital in the same way that. Some of the right on businesses have had access to. There social networks. They don't have the same amount of wealth between the networks a year. That is quite able to lean on family and friends for investments to help grow your business. Which is really what we see folks starting businesses but not having to delete to really grow those businesses in insignificant ways over the twenty times. So I mean did receive. As many entrance and exits of companies and other an otherwise failures from. You forget it with the was a failure rate to their proportionate as well. We didn't study determined that we we know that the failure rate for for any small businesses it's fairly high yeah but we didn't stay that China is he wasn't part of our research questioning. I because authority relevant wouldn't. Edited it could be a mean of these still remains the case that we we have is. We cease better steady at at at 2%. Compared to two receipts for right on companies which are. And it's. It off 33%. So either way there's there's the disparity that persists there. So housing has been a big issue no. That's being talked about affordable housing gentrification. You know we were landlocked so we have artificially. Inflated. Residential values. Because we don't you know we just can't spread and where. We're redefining and re engineering. Stuff that's already been developed. So what do we would measured data show there. So homeownership. I think is. A good the bad thing you think that homeownership is but the homeownership numbers have have shown good and bad. It's it's good to have it than you gotta is that he's got to go pay for you did you do that the thing for everybody gathered got to pay for a pick. But what we do shows that. Those who are homeowners tend to be less cost burden. By. By the place within their branches that tend to be a little more cost burden here in New Orleans. But the homeownership rate here is is a bright spot in terms of disparities. It is the one place where the gap has closed a bit since 1970. With why someone should be 46% in black homeownership being 27% in 1970. With those numbers moving into when he sixteen to 54%. For white. Homeowners and 41%. For black homeowners so we we we did manage to close the the racial disparity there which is no dipping. Absolutely imminent the united and that makes for very diverse city and just. Diversity of ownership by Al Gore said you have to have skin in the game you might that mean if you're going to be a long term. Investors here it's great to have people come in. But there again it's day right you know it's the folks that staying there really need to chart the course of where we're at the city's had a right. Yeah and it F absolutely and I think if you go a little bit deeper in in in these numbers even though the homeownership rates. Our good you do see. A difference in terms of the median value. Of of the songs for. For the way come on instant in black homeowners it has to be high with in the way. Mommy how minute that goes right back to the income Nokia and now as acting as the banking regulations have gotten even more stringent it's not as easy to borrow money quite frankly. Sir to get a whole you know the east is lend money on stated in com the last few thing now. You know right now. Bank so you can imagine that's true particularly with the the income disparity every scrap it or corrects. So let's talk about health. So it helped I think is The Who of really interest dean. Areas two to describe disparities. Often. When folks. Think about disparities we we tend to think about class and social economics and levels of education and things like that. But help this one of those things were kind of it's in many cases defies. The social economic argument a bit. Here we we showed the percent of babies born low birth weight by the race of the mother and so typically. The more education that the mother has the lower that chance. Having a baby born with a low birth weight which. Does forgot to be true for both black and and my mother's but what you see is that even black mother with a master's degree. Have a greater chance of having a baby born with a low birth weight than a white mother with high school degree or less. And we know that there is significance. Ramifications team being born overtly. So we're. What drives will work what's the can your inkling of what's driving. Right so the research suggests that this is a response to the bodies. It's device chronic response to stress right and that their stress is is the result. Systemic racism. Born. And again in terms of stress within the black mothering and carried on to the feeds. So when we when we talk about you know this. Systemic racism issue. How can we test that took it where it manifest itself for week. Can draw a conclusion as sets were striving these lower birth weights we do and as these or via an interview we're doing this just as a general statement. Some of seeing a stress or in in this community and. So bill or they are. A number of stays dead. Point to the first of that stress is something on its own that affects. Outcomes for for birth weight in and other things so. We've got that. In many other studies that talk about its. The stress of living in poverty. The stress. Yeah I was a porn I was gonna make it would seem to me the stress of living in poverty would be a greater stress or than than others say as a relates to the body. Because you know that poverty. Thing. Never goes away where the your home. Worthy here in your car. You know whether you know you're visiting family tango. That's right that's right salaries on your mind if you don't have the resources needed to to to live your life. In ways but their research against suggesting with the data shows is dead poverty rates are in large part driven by race. And so while we can separate. Race and commission disparities in and racism from poverty and they're really. Pretty well linked and it's a separate into this is just is not a be a useful way to understand it. So. When so. When we look over time. Are we finding that. The health in the African American population is improving. Yeah so when you look at the top five causes of mortality. 44 blank you my individuals in the ruins you see that across the board. Everybody is improving the rate of death from heart disease is following of cancer strokes. There are there are falling for every one independent that's absolutely great news that we should not be excited about. But again going going deeper into segregating by race. You see that there's still a significant difference between the rate of death. In African Americans from heart disease cancer and stroke. Than you do from from my individuals who who kind of the same things are rounding out the top five. Four when people in New Orleans aren't accidents and our assignments. Begin rounding out the top five for black individuals into bonus we have accidents and homicide. He. And as it relates to heart disease and cancer is that more. A percentage of the population and engages in and addictive disorder as opposed to other things. Lifestyle choices. A United States and when you when you look at this it's it's pretty often controlled for. Some of the lifestyle choices and who what when you look at you know how New Orleans EU whatever it may be. We tend to do it all about the same. But we do tend to it to die at from these diseases at different rates. We got to get to a break we'll continue we will hear from you 260187. Near Texas at 8787. We're talking to Lamar guards here he's executive director of the data center. And this is the Nolan 300 form form our data our city our future will be right back after the break. Where Bart back door talking to Lamar guard near executive director of the data center and out this study and a lot of this data is the precursor. Choose a forum that you guys are gonna have tell us about it. Yes so every time we do a lot of publication like this week by an opportunity for folks to get together to really comment in and talk with us about the data itself understanding of data and Ambien conversation with other folks who might be interest in it. We are doing the same thing in this case. But around this particular topic folks. Or will always ask what can be done what can we do. And so we've partnered with the New Orleans business alliance and the Brookings institute to talk. But only about dead date and in the race disparities they might. Identify. But also what's happening in the city to move forward on this issue to make sure that our economy continues to grow. And then we've got Brookings to make sure that that they are bringing the national research in the national perspective. A so that we know that so we re doing things. They really best practices. Here is so ten to three tomorrow at the Sheraton 500 canal street. Is aware of the forms can be read invite everyone come. I don't think it's very. We're gonna continue this conversation. You need to know what's gone on in the data to understand where you're going to. Folks a data centers holding a forum. Wednesday tomorrow actually sentenced to discuss findings from the New Orleans prosperity index tri Centennial edition it traces back. To 1718. Went to Wallace was establishing shows how. Economics played a role in the culture of the city in reference to disparity in growth. The Knoll at 300 form our data our city our future will occur tomorrow you during today 10 AM to 3 PM. At the Sheraton New Orleans 500 canal street come out I think it's free and they would love to see go folks come out and engage. I gotta tell you it's it is a very. The one portion of the report that I have a read it last night it's very well done. And they also have partners from the new loans business alliance as well as the Brookings institute. That is provided some sustenance with them as well and I'm sure that you'll find this presentation. Very interest thing. And joining me is Lamar guard aired the executive director of the data center and Lamar that you wanted to make some other points about which we're doing with this research. Sure it. So the data center itself that we are relatively small group and when you're looking at 300 years it takes a lot to the Katrina two years so what we've done is. Commissioner says. Studies with local scholars too that have them go very deep into individual systems so looking at the health system in. Well the education system with a real estate sector. To understand what it's. What the history of that sector has looked like. In the hopes of understanding why we are where we are now understanding why we are here now. Helps us to understand what to do going forward in what to make sure we don't do going forward. And so via the trash continue collection is is what it's called it will ultimately be a series of nine briefs. That explored different topics in New Orleans is history is its 300 year history there are six available on our website now it says data center research dot org. And had to come out it's very interesting where our history has has been and where we are now. They each come with a set of recommendations as well for moving forward. You know one of the things that I that I I noticed in in your work in and on talk a lot of on the show it just was kind of curious what your thoughts are. The working pour. And working poor have a challenge that. Seems to be a lot more difficult today than it's ever been. In any number of respects. And as I looked through your report in all of the categories. I couldn't help. But going back to the working poor and and as why don't think a lot of these disparities and revealing themselves and such are. A harsh way. Is they're not nimble. They believe they don't have a lot of they a lot of decisions that they can make affect more often than not decisions are made for them. As opposed to them making decisions for themselves because of the situation that they find themselves in just wondering where your thoughts war. Yet so I think there are two different ways to think about that no one is in terms of resilience to your point about decisions being made for you. When you aren't. When you don't have the income to. Do different things in life what to prepare. Four things that might happen if you find yourself less resilient to the sacks and stresses that might exist. Crush alive so there's a disaster your ability to recover from that. From that disaster is depressed. If you are part of the working support group that you strive to whereas if you. Have more resources it hurts everybody right everybody suffers in his disaster for your ability to respond to recover. Is is much greater if your wealth and income is is higher. A says that's that's one part of their resilience and their resilience is not just in terms of disaster is based in terms of just the chronic stress as. That we face in a day to day basis. Another couple always think about it is in terms of the poverty rate or. The other way is in terms of the a living wage rate. Really the living wage is is is a good way to look at its adjusted. For each city taking into account childcare costs transportation cost housing costs food costs at a sustained. Any gifts to a number that says basing your family size. This is how much money you need to live a life in the city that is free of public assistance. Which is really the goal of the day connecting folks are are shooting for in terms of prosperity. Having a little money that you can use to help bill will provide house recently passed out of business with them what have you. I'm and so in New Orleans again we we are looking at that in terms of living wage and you can see that. 31% of white households are living below. A living wage in New Orleans. And 71%. Of black house those living below and paste. So. Either way you slice that stayed there is a significant. Number of folks in New Orleans who were who are struggling. In terms of their their income much of that tied to housing contrast tuition costs and what have you. But again the racial disparity there is is. Fairly stark. And any number actually goes up and it in and it's kind of weird that this works in reverse because especially as it relates to the white population there would be more. In that category than 31%. But it many of which were able to move. And actually increased their living wage numbers by going out buying cheaper housing renting cheaper housing. Further away from the city if you stay in this city where that has that artificially inflated. Property values it it gets a lot harder to move above that living wage number in many respects correct. Should this number. The numbers that I just quoted are for a New Orleans parish life in the to the metro. It's a little bit different some the housing costs are different in the natural but can remember. That many of many of the jobs available in this region are available in the city right in the city and it's a you have to find your way. To those shops right so as soon as we start to think about affordable housing. And that affordable housing being more on the outskirts of farther out from from the central city core. Then you have to have a conversation about transportation costs meant I do we have to people have their vehicles that they need to gets. Reliably to a job does the public transit system reliably transport people such that they can make it to a job on time so those those conversations are a pretty roundly. These are all things and have to work in concert with one another to make sure that it works for all of this quite frankly that's right. Each and every day we're gonna continue to talk about the results of this study and what it actually reveals with Lamar guarding her. Executive director of the day this banner in their holding a forum tomorrow at the Sheraton. Ten to three. Need to come out listened to these folks and see what the data reveals that where we're gone we'll be right back after the break. Ruak you were talking to Lamar gardener executive director of data center and they will be presenting their report tomorrow at a forum. To talk about the disparities. In. Amongst the races and otherwise. In talking about a number of dish different social issues that forum will take place at 500 canal street. Tomorrow at 10 AM to 3 PM admission is free. There are hooked up with the new loans business alliance in the Brookings institute. Enough I think it's going to be. I hope it's well attended his you know I read through this part of the report then you. Inform me that there's a lot more sadistic that that's out there that's you know hopefully out some folks will take advantage of joining you guys out there tomorrow. So let's talk about education for a bit you know that's. Kind of the center of the universe of so many things tried of being able to move through the the up to social ladder so to speak in enough votes so sure economically. Day in and day out in. And we always have significant disparities as it relates to -- homes on these standardized. Tests so let's talk about. Yet is so this the first time that that we can tell that anyone has pulled together. ACT scores that go across both public and private school was in part of the reason that that's available now most of the state mandated in between thirteen. That our students are rising are juniors who would who would take a CT and so now. We do have a a good idea of how folks are performing in the education system at large whether it's public or private. In what we see is that it's. We do see disparities between. A black and white students. The average ACT score. In 20174 way students rose 25. The average used to to score for black students was eighteen and 21 for Hispanic students. Interestingly when you separate that by a private vs public school. What you see is that for the white students in public school they're scoring 25 point 21 average on a CT in private schools 25 point three. So we see very little difference between what the private school in public school. A schools are doing for white students in terms of black students who see. Those in public schools scored seventeen point two in prep school scoring nineteen point five to receive a bit of a difference there but. Importantly still below deck that twenty point threshold that's often needed. Two making and to counter intuitive you know its qualifier since gossip and things like that. The Hispanic population though in New Orleans as seems that does seem to benefit from. Private school education significantly with their public school students as scoring eighteen point four on the AZT in private schools being 24 point three. Days we didn't do any research on on why that might be the case but. If perhaps it's that the a private schools have have more resources are available for those Hispanics to. Well I think there's no doubt that I think that day. That thirst more resources and are more advocates. In the private schools I mean because they you know both of my children went to private school and I can tell you that there. There was a lot of talk about helping. Get somebody to take DA CT or the SAT whichever one was going to be your choice. About what the riding. Sample had to be. What was expected. I'm not sure. Whether or not a lot of the services were provided for in in in a public school system. Haven't a clear understand her in understanding and and clear delineation of what the expectations are for the purposes is task. Which seem to me to be very helpful as well. You certainly have access to resources that makes a difference here in death matches access team test. Per preserve Terry if what you're describing. And also access to good resources from early childhood on on T get you to North Korea at home here and then and I have an access to a computer access and Internet. Access to all of those things my daughter was doing. You know. Presentations on the laptop in in first grade yet here and and and certainly parents that that have been skill set is digital divide questioning which I did not the way yeah I can't expect from and I still don't. That's OK at that game is hectic at an appeal with the fifth and expect. So so silent Bob somewhere knows lower numbers somewhere in there when it comes of that aptitude and I can promise you that sir sir that is a yes it is certainly access to resources makes a difference there. And Friday in our data you use here on education that there are differences in educational attainment. As well between the races. Which you would imagine factors into. A child's ability to to score well on the test and now the ability to go to a parent ask for. Advice or their own experiences. Are are significantly different if you parent has been their vs. We gotta get to a break in there you know the report points out a lot of watts a lot of outcomes when you look at things from a historical perspective and they will spend. A lot of time talking about the why the outcome is what it is and it's an opportunity to Marta to hear what they have to say. Ten to three. At the Sheraton Hotel 500 canal street we'll be right back after the break. We've been talking to Lamar guard there executive director of the data center and I'll give you the final thoughts. Mark yes at thanks for giving me the opportunity to come line. Is important worth every doing about our economy and how it moves forward. How we continue to grow. New Orleans metro economy and we looked at that in terms the ability. Two. Higher every want to make sure everyone is is is prospering in this city. In terms of inclusion. Let's have a conversation about it tomorrow ads at 10 AM ten to three at the Sheraton 500 canal street is set free forum that you can know 300 former C tomorrow. All right that's Lamar guarding her and we really appreciate you coming in you know did great work and hopefully have a great event Tamar. How will be right back the young Marines are in town with the national sheriffs and we'll be talking to them when we return. This is new rules on Davida.