The Problem with Open Borders

Newell Normand
Wednesday, July 11th

President Trump isn't the only world leader under attack...Prime minister, Theresa May's government is in turmoil.  Why?  Is Trump's presidency a forecast for the EU?

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Good morning New Orleans there is so much news gone on both here domestically as well as internationally oversees the president is overseas at the present time a lot of different issues would NATO. Obviously his next visit with. Prime minister Mahan and a number of the issues that they have gone on in in England as well and and joining us on the line at this time to talk about that is Daniel coaches choose the policy analyst and European affairs in the Margaret Thatcher center for freedom it Heritage Foundation. Daniel thank you so much for joining us this morning. Up so we look at a lot of these same issues that we have here earning keeping it under the umbrella of this make America great again that that trump has talked about. That seems as though a lot of the same issues or appearing at the UK as it relates to Bre exit in their exit from the EU and it seems to be creating a lot of disruption overseas. That's right I think that you know similar forces or play both the Euro and indeed it states but one of them is migration issues so clearly immigration. It is a big issue the United States that the idea that are borders are protected. That we we can't be true nation state without having actual orders. And you know people more citizens of those or not and that sort of the differences of that detail. This same conversation is going on in Europe's on the continent proper it's it's around the migration crisis to course. It's very expensive and it continues to have ripple effects. And it in the UK that this is an issue that extent pupil. Eastern Europeans who are greeted in large numbers to to the UK and are working. Sort of low levels or mr. usually. And so sort of the the push back on and certain areas of the UK. Are on this migration and and that of course the larger migration from places like the Middle East North Africa. And sort of the terrorism issues there are other courses and there was this huge scandal. In. Recently in the states to the UK last year around. Group boat Pakistani. Immigrants who grooming young girls for firms such trafficking and whatnot took. Did there are a lot of issues on emigration immigration front that are playing there. Similar to the United States and and I would also say the other broader overarching issues this idea and one tribe ministry has really champion. Of sovereignty to the idea that as it read democratic countries that that we should have thought they over our own laws. And it's similar in the United Kingdom that they wanna take back control over the world laws. Their own judiciary as to not have the EU be able to override. Lacks the parliament or that of the High Court. So for the benefit of our listening audience. The UK didn't adopt all of the UEU policies so for example they still have their own British pounds as there. Currency there as opposed to the EU. And there are a number of other provisions that the economy opted out so they they count ahead. More alabaster dies membership as opposed to a full membership like some of the other countries and in Europe. That that's correct so they had to pop that out sin and do what you want of course was on the currency issues that they did have some flexibility. A different arrangement. But what the arrangement facility in the country in Europe regarding. Migration to use the UK. It's still you know the adopted its huge amount of EU. Laws regulations especially. In the trade arena. And so this is costing British businesses quite a bit of money. And and one of the things it doesn't particulars that it really disadvantages small and medium sized businesses to use what you think about. He used the giant bureaucracy with so it is that much like around bureaucracy but that reads the paper regulation. And the companies that are best equipped to handle that of these large multinationals but can hire teams of attorneys. Accountants to actually go through it sort of make sure that they are hitting all of these different regulatory. It's sparked. Or that they need to file one so it's much harder for small companies and media is that companies that actually. And keep up with that sort of your credit Burton. And so I think particular it really it is spiteful indication. And to that appointment I think the UK it was was quite concerned about. An annual the issue I think courts and it states the Supreme Court it is it is. It is the top our border of US law and so I think you have some non. You know legal. Legal scholars on the left to it like this piece sort of the United States record. Look to you know international jurisdictions and international law for. In you know it inferring what the constituent hello you know should be so. You know at the US and for conservatives we really want to be the constitution faithfully apply what that that. It's similar in the UK you had you the European Court justice. And in the court of human rights in these sorts of things they become and and make it decision and that decision would have to sit and be transposed in the UK and it could overrule the decision I'd scored in in the UK so. That was the big concern as well I think go hopefully something that eventually you can be about. Yes so it seems as though the mayor administration is kind of trying to. Keep hold of some of the provisions. The EU and while the at the same time trying to satisfy the majority of the folks who voted in favor. Of exiting the EU it seems to be very much as slippery slope to them. It is the prime ministers is trying to walk pretty fine line if you were called. Treason may want to McCain supporter before she became. Prime minister issues secretary under the Cameron. The prime ministership so. You know she her upper. Her I think instincts of what we've been towards and keep being beaten to the side of closer relationship with the EU. Into that too early which sees she's chose to use the opening. Gambit CPUs that are coming up this plan. What does their opening position going to be and it's it's something. Brick that light to organ that. Yes stage is that certain you structures specifically around trade and agriculture and services in this and they keep and bear. Keep the regulations in the in the is and the UK. And and there are few other areas where where it repeats. In many ways to get the same structures that they currently have now except now you don't have you know the stop paying into the system for instance. Which you don't have that mountain that voted in or is that in a longer voting members of the waiter actually in the worst position. And there which is apologies so I think so many of the more conservative members of her administration. A revolt over the sea. David Davis who's the bricks its secretary you had Boris Johnson resigned. And a few others resign over what they've really sees the trail. The voters in the UK this is what they voted for it so I think that this continues to play out. Just today there was four it would have been put four on the government's plan regarding. You know they're negotiating position and and so this this is an opportunity for I think the more conservative bricks and elements to try to. Up pushed back on the prime minister's plan but that a lot remains up in the air it's very very interest to put situation. What iPhone really interest thing was oh how. The mirror image of a number of the immigration issues that we're having and in debating in this country today the same issues. Asylum being in one big issue. In the EU and obviously Greece and Italy and others because there's a rule they are that. The cut the first country of origin that you that you land on that's where you ultimately go back to if you get refused asylum in any other member EU countries. They seem to be balking at that because of the north and North African. Migration and in England is obviously I UK's bulking you know well balking added as well be as you pointed out from the eastern your oblique. European bloc countries Poland Bulgaria Romania and others. That they get that ends up being their first port of entry and they're not able really moved folks out when when he asylum is were rejected indoor denial. In the UK you you have the issue. Certain you know remove a person the people coming from from Eastern Europe in the UK and so the push back among certain. As sectors of the population. And then you also have this sort of larger migration issues of the idea I think the UK's very keen not to get. Or caught up in sort of the problem on the continent of pursuit seen. Unfortunately in number of terror attacks. In England. Recently over the past few years. And there's days you have you know print that the LA across the channel. England is actually building a border. Around the debate highway trucks use to do it did the shuttle tunnel. He delivered the UK because. Migrants full city. You know try to put refuse on the roadway so that we trucks have to stop and and they can jump on a truck again in the UK. Pollute this businesses you know England is acting as taxpayers actually paying. At deconstruct they all in France. The protects some of the trucks. You know from from basically being you know attacked. On the away into it ended the UK's to try to get there so. Think you'll. You know a lot of British. British people feel that somehow. You know there there are losing their culture of losing their country. They see what happened in places like Germany and Sweden or were crimes is an increase. There's sort of this constant threat paper and France's terrorism. Seems to be it you know fortunate weekly occurrence there. And it's not what they want for their own country and wanna have control over their own borders and and say over who actually get to come there to that was a huge. Part two in my opinion is that that number one part. Why the British people voted to leave here in beauty control over their own borders or control over their own desperately. And his seems to be a reluctance in the EU to actually. Deal with that particular issue and on Google oracle has been under a huge amount of pressure Germany as well. And that no one seems to be able fine. Common ground or some resolution to these challenges. That that's exactly right you. You do surgery but wanted to is that it's extremely typical complex issue do you have people coming across browser or traffickers and that it. You know what do you do with people that you rescue from the middle Mediterranean and and that you have some of these. You know legal rules you know you'd have this other countries like Spain and Italy thing was is Erica and ever but he obviously is coming here first that. Dissident what they do you have the time that they are actually register people would just what the pass through and that's of the actually registered in the first hinted that it. So that it it's a very complex difficult issue. And then the other second the second problem is that. People with and you know could use that Europe have competing interest. Do you have it'll the in Germany and of these countries that it take you know a lot of migrant. Wanting to worst countries like Poland and Hungary in the and you know these sort of easier these countries to take in the mandatory you know to quote. And it you have those countries Mr. Bush back to think all we can create this problem. We don't want what we don't want this. You know this to be exported to to our country they're pushing back saying that shall we do away. So you you have completely competing interest and any unit which in countries that. You know so we went in Germany Italy for instance which agree on sort of this they didn't want it re locate migrants elsewhere. You have differences over which sparked about the you know heading back. Two. The country you were you first claimed asylum so there's there's differences of urban that took. I'm very skeptical that that Europe is going to get a handle on this they've tried to do. They've tried in making steps recently to planned that out today. Certain matters bowl in North Africa as well as the is that Europe. To process. Asylum claims you'll see whether or not that it's set up at a function. But I I think this is going to continue to be huge problem Europe and I think it's. Very varied. You know. Opinions on how to deal that I don't think it's going to expect us. Absolutely Daniel coaches thank you so much for join and as we really appreciate your insight into this matter like. Are they have a great week we'll be right back we wanna hear from you 260187. He. Kind of interest thing same issues there same issues here. Same arguments. Saying challenge trying to find solution we'll be right back after the break this is new rule under every Dario. We're back or talking about the issues under prime ministers may these administration issues haven't relative to Brooks it was total on one talked to Jay what say you judge. A good morning good morning. Yeah you know it one from church foundation on the a lot of distortions that flow from. Scientists to open border you know we're. Detainee in and taking an atrocity a lot of folks on the border that doesn't sound like an open border and the folks are refugees the only. Comparison with what's happening in Europe that they have a refugees' situation as well which she was leading over and talking out legal immigrants as they're all. We'll jazz let me just stop you 12 first off he didn't make those statements I asked the question. I made the comparison. Of some immigration. Nobody in Europe they have open borders it's part of there it's part of their EU pact in the he was talking about the trials and tribulations. That a number of the administration's over there of any number of countries are have and as a result of that open border policy. But he also suggested we have an open border problem here. No none out I suggested that they were very similar issues one being asylum. It you know part of the reason. And this is that the thing that we don't have the issue in Canada if you get rejected for asylum in the US you go back to Canada. We have a pact with Canada we do not have that would Mexico. Well no one of the European Union pacts is that the original country that you hit of the EU members. Is the hidden the admitting country an interview apply for asylum in another country because that's not where you ultimately want to stay let's say Italy you go back to Italy. Under the EU. And what's happening is Italy Greece in UK and a number the other countries are saying. That that's not fair to us because we're the original destination country and we're being punished. So they modified adding created. A situation to try and spread them out. The other countries that warrant the origin countries now they're complaining as well. And so they can't get to the ultimate resolution we'll be right back. This trench presidency a forecast for the UK 64%. Of the respondents saying yes was little on to talk to Jeffrey unless I was say you Jeffrey. Hey good morning. I have a little disagreement which you receive news concerning. United States. Issues with European yeah. Few of the things they're there's always been. Yes this has always been more dupers force different. Which is pretty races of people. In United States. You know African Americans. Europeans. Of course the native Americans. And which you basically having. This coming to America now. The Spanish speaking in native America and Spanish speaking in native American does Marbury. United States. In. Or out think big issues that people have with these people. Is dead. Did bill. Best outbreak investigation. We invoke its best to similarities in bowl issues where United States and Europe. Because it gave believe they're being what more European rookies. Even union message European Spanish speaking people. There would be no issue. It would be there wouldn't be age. Biggest issue is that they don't. Ronald tunnel know that the the polish. The Bulgarians. In the Romanians are dark skinned people. OK okay what you are not these big eastern Europeans or. Rather as part of the issue that they're talking about doing it that they had as a related to migration. Was mostly from the eastern bloc countries in the UK. Not Italy and Greece and France were talking about north Africans obviously because they have you know they they all surround the Mediterranean Sea. Well what I know is not a big issue with the Europeans aren't written. The big issue is with the North African. Now in fact the big issue and Rex it was the eastern bloc countries and that's what they were talking about it they're talking about some of the same issues that we see in this country about migration clusters. As to where folks ultimately end up presiding. And in the challenges that we have from a macro economy vs a micro economy prone to macro sense. We want more population that come in because it helps the gross domestic product numbers go up. Economically but in a micro sense in places. A lot rush dressers depending on the economic conditions of the folks that are migrating to these particular areas and in the real challenge. And what their bird talking about in in the UK. Is that it happened so quick we don't have an open border policy they do there is so there. The timing of it it happened so fast. That their local economies are not able to adjust to the increased numbers of folks that are coming in and that is the challenge so. I don't have this narrow view that it's all about skin color I know it's convenient and it's easy to go. To that but I think there are much more realistic. Day in day out economic stress yours and other issues that are present themselves. That are very difficult for smaller is to deal with. What I am saying is. The percentage of people. Logistical disagree with there where. Well I don't know about I really don't know and I didn't do enough research to know. On the status status Apatow would do my problem with with little I don't believe America. Archivist don't have to have 500 million people. We don't need to keep effort. People. Com into the country. And if it if we don't get anymore. There was a time. It's not a question in need it's a question the world and how we can support it. Well a weakened feed on. There on the weakened support around where that there's enough jobs how much are gonna go. One entitlement programs whether or not the the population is willing to pay to taxes to support saying. It's all of those particular issue if we could supported. You know look at the column 500000600. Million doesn't matter to me. The more the merrier if we can support. And if the natural resources that we haven't in in this country and ours sufficient. To be able to accomplish things. That's true it. Jeffrey I apologize I gotta get to a break thanks so much for Colin appreciate your insight if you're on wholesale hole will come back to your right out of the break. We're back in a little blue runner opinion polish trumps presidency a forecast for the UK 61%. Of the respondents say yes let's go to the talk line 11 dominant or short what's that you Don. Aren't they would take my car keys and. I get. I agree with your finances but I think it's more that match here. You're sure require a long time and look for. You Italy's chief deputy directors sold and agreed share. That you go to business immigration. Act an actual. Local level. Jordan write about but people in there come over here did that whole. And that's why California here is biting. This citizenship. Issue because. Federal tax dollar and apportioned based on this bit of some development there it's based on the actual number of people have been easier there Eagles. So the more they can hang out. No more money or the budget they're a federal dollars they're gonna do. Even though they're not hey I'm necessarily. A lot of federal bow. Well that's what that's one criteria I mean the fact of the matter is set. The reason I bring this up there's a lot of folks think that these challenges are only present here. And they're not. In fact they're fighting and over and in and disagreeing. And in heaven debate over the same issues. All of immigration in migration of folks who moving in large numbers and Howell a country's economic system. Reacts to these numbers. And you know that immigration needs to be an ordered and structured way. In order for to actually worked and so we've seen the science experiment. Overseas would open borders and it's not working very well and in fact. Many of the problems that the president Trump's talking about relative to Nate taco. Are actually. Coming to the fourth fraud because of the open border policy when they're looking at domestic terrorism it issues cyber security. And the list goes on and on so they need. For our military troops. Over in Europe grows exponentially. Every year. Because a lot of the policies that they have in Europe and would he say in his assault on a dandy. But everybody's got to put up their proportionate share for this to work because I can't continue to be. The international police force for everybody. Doing this when you have policies that are creating. Your issues on many different forums. Then. He. I agree here. It just. And about a lot locally were mirror that at a national level here because California. Is different and took collected and buried illegal immigrant population and actually in. Do maintaining grow because. Burton. Act after the nation by the queen. I mean that's what that's one bucket it's one bucket of money and and obviously you know but. If you were to remove that bucket of money. The not the irony but the at the net result would be in California that from a book on a budgetary standpoint they still would be pretty good she. You know so what's happening there is that there are. That their state domestic product numbers going up because of the number of people in in California that did discretionary spend it's gone on. They're starting to build the ills because now there there are looking into rent controls and everything else in the inner cities because. The the cost of everything over there is gone absolutely crazy. But they they have done it on the back of the immigrant population. And they've yet to really. Provide the services necessary to support the immigrant populations at their little disingenuous in in their viewpoint and I reckon lineup article after article after article. That deals with that we you're right they do reach out and they do get a larger proportionate share of federal dollars that go into that state but I don't know that that's the primary impetus. For what they're doing out there. I don't knowledge they think they're all my years in government he would know this as. At the end of the day it's all about trying to do your share or more than your share upon money that's available. Gloria got no doubt note every state does that every state does and how and how what avenues they used to get there. Is different for every state where they're exploiting. Some programmer otherwise where the federal government is providing money than I mean that's just the way that's. The way it happens it's a way it's been happening in I don't think you're gonna see it in your lifetime or mine Don where that's gonna change. Not only can always hope injury you know maybe like Mike Gibbons. Who. Hope hope springs eternal absolutely Don thanks so much for calling in appreciate it we'll be right back after the break to 60187. New York Texas at 8787. In this is new rule in debit video on the blue runner opinion poll is trumps presidency a forecast for the UK 61%. Of the respondents are saying. Yes. On a tax on it says figured your partisan. Rear. Wouldn't say this to the previous caller that Alec California actually gets more money should the federal government that it received from the federal government. If I knew that for a fact I would say it. But I don't know that for I will say this California has a very large micro economy. One of the largest in the country. So under your observation may very well be true but I don't know it for fact. A look at up after the show. And that way next time I can say it. But I try not to say things that I don't know or haven't read about or can't prove. One I'd say it other than some you know when I have an opinion about something brought this subject matter up for the for the the reason you know a lot of times spoke chargers always saying when we talk about a very proactive immigration policy. That is all kinds of other reasons for where racist where this where that. We are only pick and on the southern border not to northern border with differences we have different packs with the northern border than we have put this on the border. And then that's because the southern border country Mexico. For example doesn't want certain things to happen because they are the beneficiary. Folks moving. To the border trying to get in to. The US in fact if you look over the last 25 years. The change of border towns on the southern side of the border. Has been very positive. A lot of growth there. In many respects. And it's not the little shanty towns that they once were there thriving. Cities there as opposed to what it was before. Haven't been to those towns for a number of years through the eighties and in nine innings. Saw the growth. Saw a lot of what little and economically. Down there every year. And and you know their life in a series of articles written about. About this so everybody has their own selfish motivations and reasons for certain things. Happening in fact in the last hour today we're gonna talk about this. Chiles separation issue we speak of this as though it's something that just kind of fell out of the sky. And it's all attributable. To this present administration. The reality is we're also talking about abolishing ice it's a terrorist organ. Nation. They're not doing anything that immigration didn't do 25 years ago. But we don't want to. Look at the obvious in the face and just make the admission does everybody's putting up the political smokescreen. Because we're leading and it into the 2018 mid term elections we think. If we can throw enough stuff on the wall. That weaken bamboozled public and to believe in one way or the other but when you start to look at the empirical data. In in in the ninety's in the 2002 we had more kids in detention facilities that we have right now. Double. The number. And in fact the conditions that are set forth today that everybody's saying are horrific and they may very well be I have not seen them. Is allegedly bit far better than where it was before. So when we're talking about placing blame. Who should we blame. At the end of the day the only people that can correct this and make it a priority. And aimed at this system. In order. So that we can manage it appropriately. Moving into the future. Is congress. And that the less congress is willing to appropriate the money necessary in order to accomplish the mission at hand. None of this is gonna happen in a four only doing it pursuant. To a settlement agreement. That everybody's talked about the FSA the floor resettlement agreement. Court made long. As opposed to congressional action. A lot of this is moving nowhere fast.
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