The More Outdoors Show 8am 08-18-18

Don Dubuc, Great Outdoors
Saturday, August 18th
Don and Martha wade into the Whooping Crane issue with Lizzy Condon of the International Crane Foundation and biologist Philip Vaseur with the LDWF.

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And welcome into fourth and final hour strong block of the outdoor programming heard each and every Saturday morning. Martha what do you know about will decrees. I know that there are very protected and there and into it and they want on the brink of fact I think they were officially declared extinct animal wheezing now. And quite a few years ago last one I remembered seeing was I was very young boy them. Back in the late fifties. That was one I think was at the Ottoman soon embassy in doubles and on. You know it's kind of sad to think that a certain species disappeared forever from an Arab but. They have been brought back now on through the efforts of department of wildlife and fisheries also in the national crane foundation. And it sucked and and I think is very representative of Louisiana particularly out there and Acadia and parishes in. It's really good and refreshing to get those birds back but they do need as you mentioned some very strict protection and unfortunately we've had some problems with swooping crane shootings illegal shootings and 41 of reasons people. I decide to do that and is extremely detrimental to this process because there's only so many and every one that you take out is critical to the success of the population. So we have invited and you know we do the bad boys of the outdoors every Saturday morning and can't tell you over the last few years. How many times I've had to talk about warping grange shootings. That I have occurred. You know really at some strange times of the year you would think that known hunting season. But the opportunities there you get people out in the rice fields in the marsh areas was shot guns that the count is he up to you would go up the it seems to be things they happen almost any time over the years some of the most of them have been solved which is really good work but done by the department Wallace and fisheries but many of them. Go unsolved or still waiting to be so now so. We've invited Liz Condon who was seat. Wilting crane outreach coordinator for the international crane foundation also Philip vessel is jaundiced from the apartment wallet and fisheries. A biologist out at Rockefeller refuse to talk about the problem getting close and teal season. People are gonna be out there in the marshes again with shotguns and the opportunity may present itself and try to create some more awareness about how critical that is. To keep these birds very very protected so limited is sleazy content and Philip Masso Lizzie thank you for taking the time join us this morning. Our primary interest here right in. And fill up good to have you news. Are your current thank you. The stuff is he talking about the international green foundation tell us about the organs which. Sir yeah and international organization. We would be base in bad food and within that. You're old town and western with arms and that we have a veteran corners as that we off the throughout the war in South Africa. China currently open and aging in the taking into the cranes. They're located on five continents. That in the United States we have the rarest of all agreed species that is the one you're talking about today the whipping Cree. And and though we have a breeding center we breed with a grain and the rains that you feel Louisiana. Many of them were hatched at the international incarnation it was nonsense. Land. But we can end of August up and my job is to raise awareness about whooping cranes in communities that have. And Philip bomb Rockefeller refuge. You know biologists there one issue role in the warping crane project. Would not vote will be praying program interceptions sorted and in 2011. I've been involved with project since 2013. And a lot my work is an underground. Monitoring of the birds. Comment that includes a number that are out on the landscape. We interact with private landowners never cranes are utilizing private and what state frequently do. We are monitoring breeding pairs. During the winter and spring is is the breeding season. So we have and increasing number of repairs that are. We're monitoring and we also do some outreach talking to. Various organizations. And just trying to let people know about the birds about the introduction and you know getting to the point where you're talking about this this year were having with deadly shooting that attracted. On ways to raise awareness around that issue. We'll Phillip tell us about the project XL 500 it gets started what was done and how would you rate and in terms of being successful at this point what is the measuring stick. Right there are talks. Really going back into the seventies about. Reintroduction. In Louisiana. Com there are several factors that's why that didn't happen at that time but it. A home one of the goals of the the recovery plan for the species. Other reintroduced populations in the historic ranges. Species to sort of serve as a buffer in case something happens to the remnant bought population which is the one that winters along the Texas Gulf Coast and met in Canada. And we have specific goals numbers of bumpers that we're trying to regional order. If we do achieve that goal we can. Bill is the endangered species status of of the would mean crying and so that's. That the threat of what we're doing and you know these these birds they're very long list species that live 2530. Years in the wild. But they're also very slow to reproduce they may. You have any reach sexual reproduction. When their 345. Years to page. And they often only produce one offspring per year maybe two. But it's usually the case in point there if there look he. So that's one of the things we have a young population and we you know we have. A handful of breeding pairs. And this is gonna take some time were really in the in the phase of the gathering data. And will be analyzing that they have that it is gonna take some time mother reintroduction has. Been around the each and migratory population that's been around since 2001. Some before that there was a Florida non migratory population. Introduction. And that. You know. Fifteen years or so. So we're still only eight years old. Will will have better data Immelman more forward. How to project is going the next. Three to five years. I think we've got a lot of good people working on this project. And I think we're heading in the right personally from making some part of strikes. Is this Louisiana population truly non migratory. I know this. Tracking devices in your monitor these birds very closely are they and extending beyond the range of Louisiana. That was an interesting question because. That's an independent that you ask that most people. Scientists say that now migration has learned behavior. Although I think there's probably some unique component to it. So we haven't. Taught in the arm bird that we've reintroduced. To migrate to a different location. And it's in all other sources that they need in. And and coastal wetlands and prairie of Louisiana however we do some birds mostly younger. Who Wear. Making these exploratory flights they may also joined other. Cranes real. And Ukraine's in North America and we you know an instance where. One of our urged. Well possibly Dornan group and in migrate all the way to Canada. So. The birds travel over but they're they're typically. Material over we we had some birds are going to taxes. Arkansas Mississippi some of our surrounding states. But he ten these centralized in the southwestern port so you know. What's other states if any have the same urgency is Louisiana and the sense that you know their. Either endangered or not there at all the states that are known to have them are are we not only one that jumps out are there other states where they're extremely rare because of their slope rating process or anything like that. Yeah where's bill this species that is considered endangered like like was he mentioned. Yeah there are about 750 examined in the world flat. And crane that relating captivity at facilities. Right it's a bit since being crane species in the entire world and he goes strictly by the numbers. Whipping cream is the rarest of of those sixteen. Are inherited it every bird that we relief is important. Increasing our population numbers. The only other on going introduction attempt is that eastern migratory population which. They agreed in Wisconsin and winter basically throughout the south the and their numbers. That he can beat that are on this than their rounds under. 100 you know you got. The Louisiana population we have. Released about a 125. Birds and two the population and we're currently monitoring. Around 65. I'm Erica we're gonna take a quick break here we come back I wanna get into those information visit that you've been distributing. Looking into these shootings easily issues which are very detrimental to the restoration project. And maybe trying to get an understanding of who is doing this why they're doing it and what the general public into the contribute to bringing active this wonderful wonderful bird and really proud to have them here in the state of Louisiana were talking whopping cranes if you got a question or comment. We invite you call it final four to 606368. Ought to the pressures of text message comes in here real time the studio. At 870870. Will be right back after this. I guess this morning though Lizzie condoms this is the will be crane outreach coordinator for the international crane foundation Philip masters in biologist with department wildlife and fisheries. On the Rockefeller refuge on the areas with a whopping crying from project is undergoing. That's been going on for several years has gotten what I would consider some some very much success. About. One of the problems detrimental problem is that shooting of these open crimes and unfortunately now. Two initial moth get these press releases on a regular basis about walking range shootings. Looking for information leading to the arrest many times you arrest them made. And Lizzie if you would maybe you know you have done some research in two unarmed shootings of will opening crying since that time that they were listed as a federally endangered species. What do you tell us first of all about how detrimental taking one of these very Rick reaches out is to. The success of the comeback and then what we know about the people doing this why they do. Chair you know thought fled this is there really long lived species than they have delayed a factual maturity. And and so it's picking just one individual especially Elise seen them pick up early breeding individuals. Be removed from the population. And that could be you're really into really heard of you'd get from an emotional standpoint as somebody who is involved. I'm and you know the public is so interested and then but then yeah I'd really does teachers feel population especially you know there's no greater. We didn't see. I think the lead at that I've heard from Louisiana is. And the in the when we actually can retrieve it whooping crane carcass when they count the way. And determine what actually caused that or could die. 24% of the time it has been from gunshot. And that's pretty significant and yet is definitely having an impact on the web population. And it just should be happening. We'd like to do we can't try to prevent. What have you seen or witnessed in in the shootings of these screens here in a in a state Louisiana from what I understand. The information and gently disease group that put out said that there were. A total of eight that were covered and always you know which is a league leader we would tie and I think the Texas. But then since we scheduled this program we had a a more recent ones August were at nine now. Syllable what do you. You've been your experience with these Burton when they've been shot in dealing with the people may be trying to find a reason why they would done and where they went down. You know let me just clarify we've had it's cool and 2011. Eight shooting incidents. Resulting in and twelve depths. And right and when you add shooting incident last month. In Evangeline parish. Know a lot of these. Well in fact all of the shooting of them go Louisiana birds have occurred outside of vote. Hunting season. Arms so it's not a case of of honors accidentally shooting her mistaken identity. What we've seen. Average page has been around twenty years old. On in several of the cases. Juvenile was involved. So we're seeing. Some shooting even occur from from Rhode. From a moving vehicle. To redirect Federer criminal acts. That are happening just simply flee and equities and in some of these cases where you have reproductive birds recruit prepares. That are removed from the population. Or really reducing. Reproductive. I'll put it significantly from bird to bird can reproduce for fifteen. Possibly twenty years in the wild. Undertaking a lot of reproductive output out of that population especially such young population where. A relatively low number of birds every one of our birds. Is it important to to getting those numbers. As any one who has been accused of cheating on these birds. Used the excuse that they thought it was the sandhill crane and if so how similar are the two birds in appearance. I don't know about Louisiana specifically that he excuse has come up we've often heard at auto and with no news. Am I you know basically I thought it was anything but what it lives and air Louisiana we don't have. We we don't have hunting season on and go cranes. They do in Texas in another state so we haven't had any one use that it. He's. We have had some people say that would feuding. It's there are shooting a smoke news or shooting at 2 o'clock smooth greens there are wide eyed there's. But I think that's a pretty flimsy excuse as he's ever seen. It's support as an excuse me. You really know comparison when you when you actually see the sides. It's a woman crying. And then I'll get to. Every irresponsible on our nose. Before you take your shot. Know your power to know what lies behind your targets like a sympathetic cases. O'Connor's. At least we've seen in Louisiana. During this accidentally. It looks like it. Intentional shootings. For no apparent reason of just shooting it because it's sort white he's target. Well this latest one we had it was a 122 rifle. And at her report I got it was just someone who was working on a job site and so on and just for some reason decided to shoot and I don't get that mentality and our I can almost understand someone that shooting something for subsistence. You know it only needed. Or maybe even think and they've got these co C yes something like that but just a just to be killed and some of the Tillman and the equipment and grain. I don't know. And Italy's ten million all of a little bit more in depth recent on the nature of the people would news Dallas more but I heard what you find in. I guess it does to a Florida typical whooping crane killed. Yet I mean. And you you know the dollar right it's not hunters true arguing that that not you know hundred responsible. They know what they're shooting at. And they can really help because they might know somebody in their community who may not be as responsible. Basically who it and would be we might be we've seen cases that they might be conducting concurrent and in my began arriving home. You might be drinking and driving an integrator and shootings in the electoral side sometimes they're shooting from a roadside on the private property with a high powered rifle. I'm often from inside of their vehicle to objecting you know and they're vehicle. And there's a lot of illegal things that are happening. I don't particularly feel this happening. Typically see shooting in January at least in the migratory populations. I am and to be. Typically I think that made people that put them and they think in other targets that I want and that was with and you rifle. And you know in some cases like I genuinely believe that they don't know what. Ethnic communities are tablet being trains across eastern Iowa and and a lot of people are actually before we started doing outreach were there people don't know what it would be green it. They say oh yeah you know I think a permanent ban in the field the Saturday. And you know it just on here when senator picky with the greens in the world but not possible that that happened that we candidates talk about it I actually haven't ID guide their children. And they look at it now like Halloween a minute I think I was maybe looking at sandhill cranes coming developing. And. And I look at the mom and it's not a common is Lou Reed and his wanna point out a common. Misconception. Most people most people that we talked to. Or who. Reports seeing whooping cranes they they really did cranes confused with. It grants and parents they think I need Laura Weinberg long necked crane. We only have two cranes species in North America that and he'll look. And there and and that are. Talk about classification of them there an entirely different order from. These cranes and excuse me he's eager to parents so. Demand having people understand what a crane actually is that's been something we've been trying to get out there as well. Yes a lot of attention models I. Until we're being painted entry. I'm actually the crane species and I meant aren't capable Kirch. And they haven't been very small helix that they can't grip branches to perch and that I would any greater hair went up was thank at a lot of misunderstanding about what people are looking action. Iron and I totally understand that you know I'm I'm a birther. I've yet in a while back my whole life. But not everybody I'm and a lot of the bird trying to deal looks similar at first glance we don't want people to know that hey you know what tinkering and on the mind works similar to be remembered but they're bigger they're five feet tall they're super specialists superiors the really cool thing that speech. You want people you know should with. Camera and content and it all. Seoul the violations of the Endangered Species Act could be at 50000. Dollar fine in a year in jail. Do you regret that. It uses that not strict enough or do you think it doesn't manage these people. Am I do you think you can serve as a deterrent and I don't think that we've had a real the Europe are the key and it stayed at Louisiana. Recently that will advocate syntax and and I'm in east Texas for a man and that actually an exception. An eighteen year a shot to whooping cranes and before he did he'd tell people he was gonna do it the only case that I am aware of where somebody did this on purpose say you know and they basically provided evidence that he did. And and that really really sad thing is that young man considered to be a hunter and that he wanted to be a hunting guide Monday. And yeah and sub but the great thing is that the content community and he's technically outraged over that and he he did it. Not the highest that. And he got his hunting and fishing rights send its ability to owner should wait for five years which is cute didn't accept we are not expecting them to do that. I'm. You know get shady some. This is able to you as he was not able to abide by the terms of his probation. And he's currently sitting in jail. So yeah just because he couldn't he couldn't. Cultural. Well you know Louisiana leads the league I guess title maybe now this one puts us ahead of Texas and I'm not sure if it's because of the mentality of Louisiana people because as more opportunity because we have more cranes. Or a combination of both. We're gonna take a break here we come back was ill what should talk about in you to Philip what do you think we can do to create more awareness I think it's a two fold shipment. Number one you gotta have those stiff penalties and make people wearing bit number two. I think if people understand. How detrimental this is to bringing this project a success. Maybe that will even be more effective in keeping people shooting days we'll be right back elicit a more outdoors. On WWO 105 point three FM HD channel. And we live stream meant on the Al it was guys that. And this morning we've been talking about the warping crane now the effort in the state Louisiana and really many places across the country to restore the populations of low opened crying which. Have been listed as a federally endangered species as a back in the sixties and there's a lot of progress being made however that privacy is being impeded. When whooping cranes illegally shot. And with finding out that it's not necessarily by hunters in fact very. Very much the opposite that on his own problem more conscientious and more concerned and the other people who generally these of people who might be involved in other crimes or. Simply just don't have the KO of got some other problem to shoot low opening crane resident Phillip Paul ask both of you what do you think we can do to. And the person that is concerned about the success of this project and believes it will open cranes dues she should have a place here. In Louisiana and across our country. Should they be more vigilant sedate talk about it today and he was. May turn. Reported to the department wants and fisheries and a lot of those people remain silent there there apprehensive about tone and someone. Yeah and I think that illegally we've been doing and then hey the outreach and I know Louisiana and the public history have been doing it as well. That we found that we actually worked with social scientist at Auburn University not more elaborate equipment. Purdue University. Public understand the issues in Indiana plan. We've found that word of mouth is super important and people have to hear about something which it should market and you have to hear about something a bunch of times. They might be a billboard and maybe didn't register an atheist sign at a gas station okay and then you know they're certainly. Get it but they really need to hear from their friends and family and they're definitely if you if you're listening position today do you know Donna and talk to your friends and family looking drains. Look at photos of the men make sure you know how to identify it and if you know anybody you know like that it was talking about east Texas that note somebody like that. Make sure that they know that you could really get in trouble. Pursuit and that type of bird and and and that. You really appreciate having never in your community and you beaver area that if somebody has. Did something like that. And yeah that's really important and of course you know today how a lot of it communicated our social media. I'm definitely out Gilbert this year the information out later on base that on and the grand. You know you can tag only caveat if you can tag the national crane foundation and you know. Don's show that B grade. And yell at people now about living Koreans I think that's probably the most important thing you can view and then of course if you have any acknowledged. About it and shooting case that occurred. Please give that information. QLBW. There is worn out as well there are older cases. I'm known as a Republican Indiana. There might release an album and then Louisiana and usher Phillip and where somebody could actually a financial reward for on handing in of information. Yeah we had her operation game thief program that people can call 800 no doubt remain anonymous and give the details and at least of the arrest and conviction. They can capitalize on and show in the case of the warping crying much like oh Louisiana black bear of the reward significant. No. Oh have we don't have in the open cases. And there are reports or that and knew right on the operation gain fees that 1800 numbers. 800 port forward to. 2511. If you have any information. Recording the case illegal shooting of will be Kramer in the wallet violation contact that number. You can remain anonymous reported. There's also a pit 411. In the candidates from mobile devices and I'll report slightly non anonymously that way. Om and we have had some cases where informants have perceived. A reward that led to the rest. The perpetrators shot. A crane and I really think. There's there's two main. Effort that we need to focus on and that's the education and outreach aspect. We also need to do more with advocacy. Good department wallet or trees. We really or an agency that does monitoring. And does that collection of data on population. But we are really not. Well well versed as far as having. And advocate like. We really would be great if this is. A nationally recognized organization like docs and limited. Our national all of society whenever we have cases where we've had been applied someone in torch song in this crime. To really contact the district attorney here are the the judges in these cases. And I would really encourage people. Who are passionate urges. Concerned about about project. To do the same thing and really do it tonight in a positive way and it. You reinforce. To the desert turning what this means to them for a while like conservation. And that this isn't really overwhelming. Pervasive thought of most people will museum and that we just wanna. Kill these birds. Yeah I feel really great point out say that I would really effective and the fact that case. Would I am the judge and district attorney be here from leaders you know with the local a lot of our group and and other groups little I'm. You know that the breakdown that we see here at Wendy's case and don't get properly spent and it's not because the gain important tutored. Morton on the on the federal and stateside are fantastic and they treat. You know the shooting of a whipping cream like they would treat a murder in May. They gather evidence they do a great investigation and then they handed over to the court. But you know lot of people who work in the court. Yet and I use this thing out by crime they they really mean I understand. How much a whipping cream means for the people of Louisiana and you know all of North America. They may not understand everything I all the money all the time and energy. Content that people like Philip and other people LEW and the national crane foundation and US Fish and Wildlife Service. All the work that they're dealing. Ayman Al he had a lot of money time and you know a lot of you know passionately on have been so I'm just come educating that your district attorney is really important. Yes. How long has this been a problem the number one how long has it been endangered in this area and how long at this rate will it take to in becoming we've seen the same thing happened. With the brown pelican but obviously they have had a massive success I'm not in a shorter and birthing cycle but. How long have have they been when they re introduced and how long have they been endangered. That's so. Right. What the last bird that we had a Louisiana prior to the introduction 1950. I'm that was bird that was near widely. Went on conservation area. And really since then since 2011. Was the sort of the reintroduction. So we in the past eight years the the commissioner would be released about a 125 birds currently have about 65 in the population. One thing that's important for people to understand a sloping greens were never abundant in the Louisiana there. They just have a different social structure compared to other other crane species than. So overnight where we don't expect to have thousands and thousands of would bring our goal is to have. Now a few hundred of these in the in state and usually see them that are that are in small numbers who compare them. Mean C a handful of them but I you know if you see one today as it really is where. Philip whereas someone likely to encounter him of course birds have wings they could show up anywhere along the coast. But what is it that the hot spot where someone might think on open. Right. Going to be. Working way it lenses so that we can crop protection rights deal. That was by design these wee wee intentionally release. Have released all the birds on. Publicly. State owned land. Quietly went on conservation area not oh while electorate huge on the birds. There Robert that can stay in the marsh at least a period of time mark throughout sports. Life cycle. Bit though they do you prefer their independence species that you prefer shallow leaflet wetland. So the crawl edition and right fields of southwest you know perfect. Have at Orton. And that's when things don't want to point out it's really important distinction about Louisiana birds. In other reintroduced birds they're considered non essential experimental population. Basically that treats them more at threatened species on public land and species goes on private land. And basically that is served restrict regulations and Indy and Endangered Species Act. So that it compatible with those. Routine human activities such as forming in in those areas. So that's that's an important distinction that good geographic. Elders designations so if we you have are they going to Texas where. While population is that you. Are are considered endangered and that point. So we just hope that it performers the user recognized as a Kramer on the property they don't have to worry that on in the dangerous species act they're gonna or regulations on me. No you're you're you're able. Run your performance normally word. We just typically will contact the land of our former so that we can access their property. To monitor the Burton and just educate the landowners about project. Glad you mentioned that Philip because I have actually heard that concerns of people thinking that now running legal or be shut down and it's gonna become a sanctuary and nothing has been a goal on. I'm sure a lot of people listening to this they've got to interest the in his thinking one of the Golan NCs observe them in the wall maybe take some photographs of them is that possible and where. That is the possible. How you don't release. The locations of the birds and then bang you know perished locations. So. They're out there and at peace summit you're driving round. Some of the farmland. In just these conspiracy area media here urged. Cameron talks Pierce's hands you know the expert will even get sum up an Orioles. So. You do that keep your eyes open field lowered bird got a seven to eight foot wingspan. And they're into the chances are yours you're seeing will being crying and you know the ones that are out march are going to be ordered C. They're out there but you know that circle that's who we want people we vehement and see these birds and enjoyed. I think it will really help along our Force Protection. I'd Erica don't gonna take one last break we come back we'll wrap it up and and get some more suggestions to the public is forest. And a lot of fun out if in fact someone sees one and they've seen it there for the first time if they should report that if you're looking for some input from people. Maybe they can be the eyes and is in and help you monitor where these birds off. We're talking that Lizzie Congo is he's with the international crane foundation Philip masters a biologist for the museum department wallet and fisheries in Rockefeller refugee were talking about wonderful bird beautiful species called. The warping crying back right now it is. And we had the pleasure of speaking this morning Lizzie Condon and national crane foundation until vessel we CN department Wallace and fisheries about the will mean crying. On the status of the whooping crane and also about this problem that is not totally unique to Louisiana but as a serious problem here of illegal shootings of the swooping crimes extremely detrimental. To the project and two to restore these birds. Phillip are you reaching out to the public in asking for any involvement as far as locating tracking these birds and you got devices on and you guys keep. A pretty close tabs on him but if someone sees one should they take time maybe the contact an apartment and give them the location of where was the number of birds and would that be helpful to. Absolutely. That's definitely a big help we rely on the public. Especially when birds are on and on private land which they or. Frequently on the mid court to access. I'm the best way to do that is to. Go to the department wallet and the trees. Web site. And very confined to a page. But would be cranes and we've got a lot of those photos and videos and information about project but there's also link to report a recurring side. It's a form. Enchiladas marchers belittle the format you want. You can even attached pictures of the bird. Even if your unsure of where these what you saw was whipping cream or not you can. You know to. And that's along with the department wool will contact you and how much you know. About the signing it actually was her work is. It was something else so on our country get reports about the bird that looks similar. Like wood storks are pelicans like pelicans something like that that we definitely encouraged public to do that. They can also learn more about. Our project and get recent update our FaceBook page which ends they'll label being cranes dot com. Our LA will be cranes and they can also contact violence. Slightly wetlands conservation area or contact me at rock solo proceeds. If you have specific information about a sighting or. Anything like that. For a person like myself who's not too familiar with what would be crane would look like what would be the standout features peppers and think what are they looking for what is the best discerning waited describe the ingredients science in you know its peak. Lakes. There are large but Wu well how we now. A look at the top literally held about an all. At yesterday's. Decent. That legally. And an island and long lag when they open at wing but. It but at winked at for black. The bodies they're going to black. The couple did juvenile. Arson and well in public about a year old. And one thing and and having and it caps on their head. And and though he will be the got a big red on top of their hit your scan an ego would be. And when they lie. Why it was their neck out stretched them any greater and that might connect capped an an and they lean on how exactly you will see their feet and killing a unlike implicate an order of abuse or even a line and they're they're like Garnett line and so on that note that any. At the you know I think that happens and that is very interesting you always think of them packing on and so that would be very straight. What amount my voting yes announces they make any unique sounds that they can get them upon. The other there. All of them unmistakable he here. You know call out in the march. We don't we get a lot of we've got reports from honors program blind. Tikrit near the blind or something in. Bill you hear that caller early morning and it did carry the travel. Great distances. And you wanna point out 11 thing about the lake that. It's critical to the campers all Burton have color bands on their late upper part of definitely. On the end that easily have translators that we attached to those those stand in the standard and the bright colors. Red balloon yellow. Also do have a black color and so that's one thing to look at that you aren't sure you can get a look at the late. That'll be and indications that it tore apart incur. What about someone that finds. On a dead bird and and someone understand it and and and follow in the cases most of these. Cases that were reported or by homeowners of people who actually found the bird which tells me that the perpetrators. Don't even used to bird for anything make killer and it just look at it and leave it. What do you can't do if they find a birthday it may be natural mortality maybe not. Yep anyone if anyone find the bird suspected is a bit whooping crane. Call wildlife and fisheries. Call lightly Willits conservation area called rocks so lawless refuge or get a violence out there to to check on it. And confirm that is the case at this point don't try to move the bird or anything from the bird. Just slit the enforcement agents and and the biologists. Collect cook the remains. What about nest what does say warping crane nest look like and what time of the year and in this. Who the net. Or. You go lord bird. Fortune I mean. They usually maybe three feet wide. And a hood out of the water they ailment in water it's sort of an anti predator a mechanism for them. Bill late one to two days and they typically at least birds and we you know they'll begin testing in February. And we've had nests. Initiated in the league made so that late winter early spring period is the peak of our. Are nesting season we actually have some good news this year we've actually. Had five chicks hatch. And pledged this year which is the most that we've never had. And all of which except blister. Still alive so we have you know 100%. Had a annihilating me you know which is apparently there was editors this population. Go off hatched you know. Many more checks that they don't survive the pledging so we're really aren't here. That would buffalo population they have modular computing sixth century that the main thing for a younger Germany's success for them and Louisiana. But that shooting at you if they're really staying. And that's not how bad has some really great successes but the main thing. What about problems with farmers on disturbance and asked him and he is that a problem. What I wanna little activities. Now that's one of the things we we do talk to about reformers. That's one of the things that is actually protected even though they or nonessential experimental population it is still legal to intentionally removed. The net but has eggs or chicks in. But most of the performers. They see this says a rare men and it doesn't interfere with there they're forming practices mean. Most of the unpack all of the net so we're successful this year were in crawfish ponds. And good crop his vote will go right past the net then you know the bird will be alert but do typically remain sitting on the net and it doesn't appear with. The operation we do staying in communication with the former find out what they're. Land management practice is going to be when we knew they plan on drinking water column they. Plan to continue forming. And we've gotten a lot of cooperation performers. With with bird which is are on the property which is really encouraging. Whopping crane seemed to be easy to get along with. And then human friendly aren't they. What are public anger and I'm in and I'm never heard of an attack. Well I wouldn't I wouldn't hurt to walk up to edit. It's just a veteran and. Yeah but they have been a big league. Yeah it well like I mentioned before that are not in the B. A ton of them so on beaten and he may have one green where he's got a couple birds. On they're not going to be. Dozens and dozens of whooping current admire. Go Maria help it. Just wanna ask both of you thank you again for coming on in any information that you can pass along to me to pass along the public. Please do it I think the more we talk about these birds more awareness we create the more successful the project will be in. Thanks again for explaining the whole situation just one thing I'm a little confused on Lizzy May be included as a I'm not quite sure about that whooping morning call can you give me your best and hoping crank caller. I don't know I don't want. I think he can complement. To be together and you know it. And one that's a good good good out. But again thanks all of the hog. Work you do I know it's a labor of love with the with the crane foundation in Philipp thanks to you congratulations to our department it is another. Feather in the cap of Louisiana department of wildlife and fisheries we've been successful with the black bear the pelicans a unique story and I think that will inkling as soon as the next one. Were done more but thank you running on. Yeah them mad that there o'clock this morning for sure. Thanks for helping spread to about it and will continue to do that thanks again we appreciate it. And I this was a continent so that's talking about the war thing cranes Martha and which covers some stuff. I don't I really didn't know much about whooping crane have learned their far more endangered than I expected to hear island that there. Massive inside me I now really wanting. To get. Maybe there was a show for by you while actually bring their cameras out there and shoot and I mean you know it is a situation where you don't want to disturb the Burress certainly. How often you hear a bird that size it's not a prayer pray amen I'm sure they're not considered in the scene and then hocker culture you know family. Gorgeous and a peaceful very but you know I wouldn't think. They'd be too aggressive. We definitely have. At NASA says never heard. That's M and Saturday. Produce at the Christian he found new whooping crane that call of the Wu ping ping an down there that and now I know with on again rusty partners and yeah doesn't sound like revealed that the anyway they say carries quite extensively to march. I let's got to wrap it up will be back again next week beginning at 5 AM we start darkened building efficient reports. All that stuff who love to talk about also we. 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