It's All About the Money

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Wednesday, March 21st

Mike Lofgren, author of The Deep State: The Fall of the Constitution and the Rise of a Shadow Government, joins Newell to talk about the "deep state" and how it exhists in our government.  Do you think the "deep state" is really who runs our government?


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We've been talking about a Monmouth University hole. That said that eight and ten Americans believe that their government. The US government is actually spying on the activities of American citizens. And that they further believe that six in ten Americans believe that unelected Orr reporting government officials the bureaucrats. Have too much influence in determining federal policy. Now there's no doubt that president trop is fueled. Some of this thought process. In any number of his. Proverbial tweets in the morning. There's this thought that folks are doing things contrary. To what he is trying to instill in our government day in and day out wouldn't. In whatever attempts have been made to work with congress and in all fairness to all parties there are some examples that that he points to that can actually. Cause there suspicion. To be race. And on the pro ready Mazda opinion poll. Do you believe. The deep state is real. Or a bunch of nonsense 68%. Of the respondents say it's real. What do you think it was a call at 26 so. 187. 8770. Really wanna know what your thoughts are one whether or not there is this notion of a deep state and a lot of pond and says about. Been talking about what is the deep state in the definition of it. And Bakken 2014 Michael offered an Lofgren a former Republican. US congressionally. A kind of described it as following a hybrid association of elements of government and parts of top level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States with a reference. To the consent of the government you and I the voters as expressed through formal political process the elections. In other words when we elect. Candidates that are of a certain philosophical bent. And that is what the mood of the country is. That there is this bureaucracy. That wraps around Washington. DC. Inside the belt there. And that they're able and they have more influence on the course of action it's going to be taken as opposed to the voters. And I'd be interest in the here whether or not you feel that way. Whether or not. When you're reading. The newspaper or hearing the news to what do you draw from that as it relates to. Whether or not the deep state actually exist. You know I think will continue to talk about those issues. You know as it relates to this because I don't think that president trump is going to give up and I brought up. With doctor Robert Hogan professor of political science at L issue this notion when you begin to look at the text between. Agent struck an agent Paige. About insurance policies in this and that and everything else. You know it begins. Two take on a different. Flavor firm many people. Michael offer and Lofgren joins saw on the line now welcome to show Mike. As everything all. He only appeared at. A so Mike. You know where and when we think about this notion of deep. State. What does it bring to mind the. All probably brings to mind. Something a little different in the popular notion. It's basically just. Conglomeration. Of people. Inside and outside of government. With roughly similar interests. Who worked together again what they want. It's mainly base. On money in the generations money whether it's. Heightened powers so well known military industrial complex. Or whether it's Wall Street. Or what other. Silicon Valley. Tom there's nothing conspiratorial. About it in particular the people. We were involved this is not the aluminum body its. Now people whose names we know. I'll whether there's government or somebody like Lloyd Blankfein. At Goldman facts. Forward Jamie Dimon. Or. Any of the big Silicon Valley it's. I'll buddy is perhaps. Not quite what the framers of the current two should add in mind. In terms of self government. Column this is away. Democracies. And constitutional government and to be calm. On last. They're popular. Citizen. Participation. In government. Individual participation that we haven't really tan that we hit one along with voting participation. Rates. In the developed war world. Do you believe that this. And and in your book called the deep state the fall of the constitution in the rise of a shadow government. Do you believe that this skepticism and cynicism. Is what's actually helping drive this notion of the deep state. I'll probably. I tend to be an optimistic that I believe. Top. People have more control. Than they think they do but they've become demoralized. And apathetic that well mapping site dude gonna make any difference. Anyway. But. That the margin because. We've seen at all place there are close votes. You know Connor boy am I as of now has 675. Oh margin. In that district in Pennsylvania. So it does matter. It's simply that people. Have these column. Demoralized. The I saying. Might we got to take a break and you stay with this for a few more minutes. Already were with Mike Lofgren he is the author of the deep state the fall of the constitution and the rise of a shadow government will be back talking with Mike when we return this is fuel on debit Dario Rebecca we're talking to Mike Lofgren new the author of the deep state to follow the constitution and rise of a shadow government. Mike is it really did deep dark secrets or is it more of the apparent things that you know that are out there. That tend to reveal. Certain things why people embrace this notion of the deep state I mean you spent twenty years working in congress as an analyst and so you've interacted with the bureaucracy day in and day out for a long time. But when we think about these things that we look at. The situation with Flynn. The situation with these special agents wished rock in and page. In some of what's going on around the special counsel investigation of those that things are really kind of drive. This notion. On both happened in plain sight I mean I had. Access to secret information that dispel that really surprised me was not the secret information. It was. People like Ben Bernanke and Hank Paulson coming to kill 1 fine evening and saying if we don't do. About things we won't have an economy tomorrow. And it's sort of flashes before one. The whole bubble economies that these guys said it was you know in great today. For the previous several years that was all camera. Ditto whip all the stuff that was leaked. I mean there was no deep dark classified. Stuff. That they pretended. Army invasion nuclear rock based selective leave leave the lot of the cherry pick stuff to adjust the it. You know of course it turned out to be a disaster. Well most is been going on in points site. And I'll tell them that the listeners. You'd think that the NSA. Spying and you do all this sort of thing well yes they have an enormous cable bill. But in this area east and I think mostly in practice. So completely because they don't have the time. To worry about what Joseph blow do. This stuff tends to be. Fairly well protected. Through laws and guidelines. As we have seen with Cambridge analytic. And FaceBook and all this other stuff. In taxes like. Not target. And yet what sex thing. Commercial. Users. People in the corporate world have much more control of your days. And they are using it much more to your detriment. Than the government. If you wanna talk about that these states if the data mining. Politics corporations. Do want you selling your personal. Information without your consent. So in many respects it deep states all about the money. Score every. And it's funny you know I'll laugh but I can't a leopard myself because you miss sometimes you stare in the obvious in the face and you walk right around. By I mean I think. Besides having. Doubts about. Com. The Iraq War both for. The invasion horror. I sort of figured this thing's going to turn into will be wet but there. I think the other thing called light in my life. Is never getting on FaceBook. You and me both. Well Mike Lofgren the author. Of the deep state to follow the constitution and a rise of a shadow government thanks so much for joining us we really appreciate spending time with you today. Our money will be right back we wanna know what you're thinking about is there a deep stake in your mind give us a call to six 187 you're Texas said he 7870. This is new rule under every Dario.