How do we show respect & gratitude to America’s veterans?

Newell Normand
Friday, November 3rd
How do we show respect & gratitude to America’s veterans?  We think we know, but do we?

This Hours guest:
Howard L. Hibbard - Army Veteran & Bronze Star Recipient
00:25:35

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Good morning New Orleans and so glad to be with you on this wonderful Friday what a beautiful day and a lot of aid. Packed full schedule we have this weekend. But tell seafood fast food and Berman and B Eric champions square and of course L issue Tulane saints got a full schedule this weekend and you know had a great week and grow glad to wrap it up today on Friday we have a a really good show today I think you know we have a lot of interesting issues. In a third hour we're going to be talking to. Doctor Patrick wearing about this OP your crisis and in the trials and tribulations that we're facing today. In dealing. With this addictive disorder. That is affected so many families across this country in the second hour will be talking to David hammered the Denver WL TV investigative reporter. About the continuing problems with the sewage and water board and permanent power and everything else that goes along with that. But most importantly in this hour we have. Howard Hibbert army veteran and bronze star recipient and an author. Of a book the curse curse of the coloring book. And talking about you know often times seen over the past several weeks especially with the NFL controversy with. We hear a lot about what we think veterans. Need. We think we know sometimes. But do we now. And so I was so happy and blessed to get Howard to come into the studio today is he's traveled across the country to join us. Good morning hour and in London. So send me here you know we talk a lot about. What we think we want veterans there with they need. But do we really know. And it seems as though that you haven't interesting observation about a lot of this around that issue. I think the most important things that pitchers one though is that there be respected. For their sacrifice. And for the burden they carry to act as they return home. And regrettably. Because of the antiwar movement and because the whole Vietnam conflict problems. When I got back. All I met with social abuse it and BC it's a social pariah. At this as far as that's concerned. And put on trying to push for optically with this book but also with wit wiz. The military. To interrupt a greater effect on them I doubt that but anyway is that if they we basic training to get in it should be four weeks discharge training. And job placement there should be a national job database. That that when you get back here retrained you've given clothes to go to a 7000 dollars to start a new life. And he gets job placement and continuing group therapy justice to monitor. How much damage it's been done to re integrate these people. It's gonna save us money in the long run. Yeah I mean you know it's interesting is slick as you said a lot of training on the way in preparing you for the horrors of war. And what you're gonna see. You experience that you limit you see it began on the way out. There is no Connor reentry. Assimilation. Or anything to deal with the horrors that you've had to experience during a period of time absolutely and the veteran does not see the world the way other people see the world. The yeah he was this year for its paramilitary force who were talking about earlier you know never say would you back against the door. And he'll hit he Hitchcock was right in the did when time and now we have the dead man's hand aces in the states. You know I mean it really affects people in all different walks of life it's not just the military but. You know I don't know that anybody actually experiences. Horrow. Battle. In incumbent you know and everyday society of the trials and tribulations that we things. But that's no reason why would. So until the war story doesn't have the impact. Because Putin's anti it was shot that if you if you did the responses. Unless too bad and did get a good view thank god they missed but you can never have. You can never create the debt that that that tremendous fear. And anxiety of actually being in the situation. Room sibling with a simple snappy your life has gone. So tell us about the background of curse of the coloring book in I actually that's what drew me to you and in in in reading about that tell us about but I thought she never asked. Anyway this is the sad to balance that by this but I was nineteen at U verse to remind in 1967. I could've stayed there might in my own business. You got it gotten my degree and got into an advanced degree in deferments but when day I don't know what happened seized by a burst of insanity. Without anybody GI Joseph coloring book. Have a gallon suburban Greenberg and and I'm like today right I like that day. And still some days crayons or breakfast. Went back to my fraternity house and I know you find is that real beat colored and pictures and laughing and drinking. And I quit school and joined the army much to my parents' dismay. And 1990. Right. That they that's file nineteen Yost should be changed somewhere right and then off to Vietnam. Well no actually debate securities. Of the activity training officer candidate school and went to Germany first and I was in Germany. That if you pair trooper in Germany. And what went after the Tet offensive so nobody company grade officers basically Tennessee captains were killed. That that they took that they wiped out on probably 23% of all lieutenant and shipped to Vietnam. To resilient to do nine months since that twelve. Right and so that child that's how this started. And then you you Ewing gauge. And obviously you experience. The horror of war and then we're back absolutely. And then more then we're faced with the emotional distress. Of the experience that we have in Vietnam. Million TV live my constant fear of stupidity. I didn't seek any kind of helping but it regrettably. In ninety did did the whole psychological diagnosis at PT SD we was not formulated to 1980s. So 1970 don't have any idea what to do about it. Regrettably even though we do know we're still not doing anything about it but but there's. There's a really good book by Judith Herman MD chief of weather for most people call trauma and recovery. The aftermath of violence from the best abuse to political terror. Where if anyone has suffered from PT SD. This book is an easy read and it makes it really clear that that the only way to seem to get around this. It is to relieve your year your fabric of society that gets torn. When you go through combat situation. Howard what was there dialogue around what everyone was feeling. At that point in time it was unidentified as PT SD but. How was it described what was the dialogue at that time well goes back to World War I and shell shock. And then in World War II was battle fatigue so believe it or not considering how much PT SD cost us today he had. Differ from 1918. To two to pass Vietnam actually even today. Where if you had PT SD don't think George Patton you know it is slightly across the face and say with roundly. And and it's the and that's just not doing a deal with the problem. Did you determine tries to point out that you need to set up at the situation sort of like alcoholic and alcoholics anonymous where. People who blunted a similar experience you validate each other and sit down and just talked. And reestablished trust that that people need to live it live in a society. You know so now we're fast forward and and we're dealing with the Middle East both Iraq and Afghanistan and you know what's gone on and in Syria and god just recently and they sure are and and you know I mean it says a word we're doing this all over again have we changed. You know I thought process and then it. Are we more receptive to these ideas of trying to deal with this on on what I would call for lack of a better term reentry. Well I if you people website how early were dot com that a 130 blocks which probably forty or fifty heard out. The stupidity have in Afghanistan and Iraq. He can't enter the whole concept of the Middle East is we don't know what we're doing. Right now that the the Sunnis and the Shiites. Are too did different sections is like Catholics and the Protestants. Well. Incredibly the Sunnis and Shiites like shooting each other kill each other bond each other way more than they they have any interest in us. And the sad thing is we're in it we intervene in another civil war to the door a few numbers of south Vietnam and they want to be one country. And there we are saying no I don't know we want you wanna support this puppet governments out. It in south Vietnam in assisting thing going on in Iraq I mean princes like right now Kurdistan. Iraq with actually never country. It under the Ottoman Empire pride of the Ottoman Empire it was called Kurdistan it was part of Syria part part of Turkey and part of Iran and part of Iraq and of course at that to vault the situation right. There right. Well we'll continue this conversation. When we return we have to take a break and we wanna hear from you 260187. Aired Texas sedate 787. Anywhere worth. Howard Hibbert and we're talking about. PT SD and what do vets and really need when they come back and we'll continue this confidence conversation stay with us. We're back here we're talking now Howard Hibbert army veteran and bronze star recipient and the author of the book curse of the coloring book and we're been talking about. Do we really know what America's veterans need when they come back. From a war service overseas and engaging. Different enemies. Throughout that period of time in. So how did you know let's start with how. How do we express gratitude to veterans. Well route progressively more for a small movement when I came or how should reactions. It's always just shows some respect and respect is not if it's shown in many ways it is verbal ways there's non verbal ways but much more importantly respect should be. What do you do to help the veteran re interviewed himself back in a society. A veterans don't look at the world the same way. Like what we know when I go out at night I never civil my back against the war and are actually we learned that from Hancock in the western to them. But there's a certain manner slightly I was in Las Vegas I never would have sat my back against that building and woes would define an exit plan. And definitely know some place to die in case things get out of control is just a real different way of looking at the world. So if you want respect that. Find a way to make this veteran you know take his skills and and they didn't miss a sense of pride and self respect and humidity can come back to society. And actually function and and and be successful. So it it's not you know and I always find a lot of times in and I had this I was telling you earlier this situation with with mogul who went into World War II at a very young agent. And rarely. Talked about his time overseas. And sought a a lot. Bad stuff and he was sixteen or seventeen at the time. And never did talk about it in just internalized. Everything. And it's a survival mentality when your over there and it's really you're reliant on you first of your skills first and then that color reentry. You gotta kind of work out of that mindset in that thought process and where that you view the world because. I've got to imagine you're a lot more skeptical everything. Because of what's being presented from so many different angles while you're in bath. I have to agree but also I was an attorney for thirty years since I'm skeptical anyway there you go and but so this mindset is is different so you know. What are the challenges that the veterans coming back facing today and the united you know I know. You talked about the public's reaction to the veterans coming back out of the Vietnam War which when I look back in Ellis. In 67 when you went in I was nine. You know I do but I do remember. And and I remember in the early seventies the response. When the veterans came back I remember it vividly. Andy it was confusing to me as a young man. Very confused and and it's one of those things I don't know that I ever did squared up and I don't know that I ever did understand the anger and resentment. Of the are the folks that we had gone overseas to fight. For our liberties. Well I have to say I agree with the on that one. Because YouTube had you had people in this country who've been geared. For for serious I mean prior to World War II we were isolationist country and then between World War II in Korea he stepped on the world stage. In Vietnam is just sort of sort of when the finale. Of that extension and but what's really happened but also PV put in the frame of reference I mean also in 1960s you had the civil rights movement. You in the anti war movement. And and then you had that this war that made no sense at all. I mean I know where to what the domino theory and all these other things but now they're making our sneakers and so I I just don't understand. You know but it didn't intervention in these areas and particularly in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean I guess in the control less than half the country now. I'm their bombs every of more people and I think like 20/20. Feet more thousand people they are dying in Afghanistan. Because the Taliban or to slowly taking back the country. Resign and announce the other it's really interesting is that. Afghanistan has Shiites and Sunnis which huge hate each other more than more than the west that matter. And probably are not the DP the heroin comes out in Afghanistan we've which is which is funding the opium acts. As a whole thing about narco terrorism and everything that goes along with that just specifically run out of Afghanistan. Yet but Iran we would with the Shiite country is cooperating with Pakistan. And distribute it. These students distribution of heroin around the world. For as I'm concerned I think it's time legalize everything disputed education. If you make all the DEA officers drug counselors and those to be prone to begin with definitely you know I'll disagree on that and have them back on to that extent. A hope we will now win in this war either. On the drugs would you ever truly win. A war a war of any type I mean when we think about World War II. Although it was a it was a victory for the United States. But in many respects you know it wasn't a victory much for anybody I mean because we continued that we immediately went into the Cold War right after that and and so it just took on a different shape it a different form. LT considering what Stalin did to choose to to Russia and its own people I think we had to be justifiable concern for the Cold War. It has been many documentaries on on Stalin. But that's the point did we did we really win and because we knew that we had additional threats. You know. Went to wind we were sitting in in in Tokyo. Excepting all the accolades of the win but we knew that we were already facing another thread the day after. Absolutely and quite frankly that's the way of the world and and sadly enough the way of mankind. If it's not one thing it's going to be another. Well we got to take another break and we wanna hear from you 2601870. If there's something that you wanna ask mr. Howard Hibbert about his experience and his thought process about. The treatment of PT SD is a relates to the veterans coming back. We're back you're talking now Howard Hibbert due to the author of curse of the coloring book. A novel inspired by his own true story of Compaq combat excuse me and PT SD. And we were just talking. Off line here 22 deaths today commit suicide. That that's incredible. I no he's an incredible but but tweeted that today is just tip of the iceberg it's like 64000 people are dying every day it will be an to every year of opiates. I mean what else goes on behind how many other hundreds of thousands have drug overdoses. And the other things that that come to come into play. That are behind the mostly to veterans dying a day the rippling effect is just goes on and all volatile and so outrageously expensive and could be in voided if he just put into put in the initial capital they get these guys jobs get him in the group counseling get it he controls on for at least six months acts that are used you abuses were a lot and and it's better than reentry re integrate. Correct because. Return to bring entries through through indicates that that you had. Formula or some education whereby. You readily employable rarely can fit back in veterans don't really fit back on the show America that back and back and learn to adapt and so it's. Have to wait two to give defectors the education. And the capital and the understanding that and the support so they can you can feel successful and trust society again. And in Vietnam veterans to not trust society because became acting spit on us. And that's the first time in American history that a war was blamed on the servicemen. And not the politicians who sent us. That's the thing that I've talked about earlier I've never been able square up and online today even today is almost sixty years of age in and are remembered as a young man vividly. And was completely confused by political happenstance. I was completely pure cyanide capsule and let's go to talk lines will go to John and ocean springs on line one what say you John. Jail on. Get talked into the American literally took. Orchard talk about on the mound there. But I spent 39 months and Germans in the Cold War. And I totally disagree. Our camp prom and hold. It here yes it was saying sitting in this society I don't want it into society. The whole problem is cruel society. Those societies that is turn its back on and off. College than Jesus. And comma confirmed aggression and all of these problems war why it lit them on the entry is Germany in the army. Italy's two years and the whole bathroom and on Wednesday you know these movies churches war and they and so I saw. And there's nobody there. And Central America which is not gonna happen until it returns. Turns to god there's no solution it is human nature is basically cool. And always wore some political on back console. And these it's what happens. When they come down in the any of these actually. They realize itself and is drastically wrong. Cannot know tomorrow. Cycle therapy or whether there's gonna help they don't think it'll help will be turning to god which is what I idea I want to do productions and are generally. But in a sense you did re integrate but by by dual anatomy and a pianist society is something much. If it can be drilled down and as simplistic as gesture family. You know and be an able to. You know re integrate with your family work within the familiar unit obviously for you it was finding your lord and that's the center of your of our universe it happens to be the center Aman I know that I'm not the center of any universe. You know on. And I think that's exactly what you were talking about Howard in in re integrating and some former fashion it makes it work for you as as a returning that. Absolutely. The it. Mean with bachelor re integration I don't renovation does not include the two like what's going on. Already irrigation means that you can come back to society. Find a way to support yourself have your family live your life to you wanna live your life when your own ideas and free country. And did so without Harvey wanna do is fine with me and god did it doesn't matter buddhism. Whatever whatever makes things work for you so that you can be productive member and field he'll confident and happy with your existence. And you know and an end that there's this sense of obligation I think by us. Meaning the community at large the citizenry of the United States and obviously the United States government we've had a lot of different issues. Talking about veterans affairs and then the hospitals across this country that provide. Care in custody for for the veterans when they returned. The veteran hospital system. That is in disrepair in many respects as well and and I think it was kind of the one of the cornerstones of president Trump's candidacy where he talked about that issue and it became an issue in the presidential race. But only ever get anywhere with relative to that issue. I don't think it's doing better but luckily I. I'm in the Bay Area and so Palo Alto that health care system is just the best I've ever seen it is amazingly good. There are other parts of the country that don't have the funding California does. In that so it's really different but when we're once again the important thing is. If we we get have a plan to get these people I'm coping mechanism so they can deal with society. Whether they wanna go to guider with a 21 or do something else we're finally to support themselves and enjoy the benefits of living in a free society. So we're gonna take another break and we'll be right back we wanna hear from you 260187. They were talking about. How to we show respect and gratitude to America's vets we think we know we talk about it. But do we really know. We wanna hear from you 260187. Air attacks say 787 in this is new alarm and when David area. We're back and we'll go to the talk lines and guarding Covington what's say you Bernard. Or law. And basically. It was actually the first real. It's critical evidence we put out duplication. Of mental law. And order. Or combat because we're like them on each other Americans in America and Israel war. Chasers did so much about Boris the unions or I shoot game. Fredericksburg. And ultimately. And in some. Ultimately. Children Wednesday it would be. Regional. And and unfortunately. You are today it was a suicide case. So that you were studied the war in Vietnam especially. And only. So in that and move. Who Bernard thank you let's get you know Howard and and your thoughts I don't think you deny that and that's who is a matter fact it was a really good documentary. On the civil war. So you know we got just a couple minutes left so why don't we round a supplement in and you know talk about. Where you think we should go from here. I think the most important thing that I would like to. Suggest it is that they're beer re integration 11 month to get that turns the indeed did the tools they need to come back and succeed. And not feel alienated and get it particularly a way to deal with PT EST so that. It is looked upon that that you week. And that's one big problem for the veterans of the go to the VA they're not trained. So what I would tell veterans is go to your local vet senator they all they will explain to you what you have to tell the VA. It and because can't play macho you've got to tell them how you really feel so that you meet their protocols. And he'll be their protocols that they you're not gonna fit in because it's gigantic. Government bureaucracy. But the best senator can help you that. Also if you wanna really see how PT EST may fastest manifests itself. Curse of the coloring book is about this attorney who has flashbacks. And that's exactly what I see every single day when I'm walking around and we give a good frame of reference. In some kite and psychiatrists at that is religious books and she's feasible as visual. So we've had hollered hammered in with us we really appreciate your time and thank you so much we'll be right back.
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